Georg Krause, CEO of the IT service provider msg Plaut, on the imperative of digitisation with people at its centre.
As a specialist in digitisation, msg Plaut supports leading companies on their way into the digital world. European roots and values are cited as strengths, so that digitisation benefits people and their environment, and expands opportunities for development and fulfilment – says the msg Plaut credo. But can digital humanism stand up to big business without barriers? Georg Krause, CEO of msg Plaut, is convinced.
What is digital humanism, simply explained?
Georg Krause: Many people who can relate to the term ‘digital’ can
also relate to humanism. Someone who has never dealt with the
subject before at least has an image in mind, even if humanism is
not a very sharply defined term. We must succeed in ensuring that
our humanistic, humane and European values, which we have internalised
and lived for ourselves over the past centuries, also remain
valid in the digital world. The digital world must not tip over
into a direction in which these values no longer have any meaning,
are no longer taken into account and we end up in a Wild West
scenario. People, their values and the good of society must be
placed at the centre of digitisation.
The first thing to fall by the wayside in all revolutions is humanism.
How is that supposed to work in a booming business like
the digital world?
Krause: We don’t live in an ideal world. But we have succeeded
in preventing the greatest excesses in new developments such as
the Industrial Revolution. There, the positive side, the supply of
people with goods, is in the foreground, and the negative downside,
the exploitation of industrial workers, was regulated by appropriate
labour laws. We are currently in a similar situation,
which is why digital humanism is so important and is being widely
taken up. For some years now, the European Union has been
moving very strongly in the direction of putting the human being.
In the Industrial Revolution, it took decades for workers’ rights
to become established. How long do we have to wait for workable
rules?
Krause: Should it happen quicker and better? Yes. The question
implies though that nothing is happening, which is not true. You
have to look at the temporal dimensions. Digitisation in the sense
of changing our lives and its effects on them has been around for
about 30 years, since the advent of the internet and the resulting
explosive developments. That is a relatively manageable period of
time. Of course, it has to happen faster than during the Industrial
Revolution, because the development is much faster. We only have
to look at the past few months to see what ChatGPT has changed
in terms of perception. This increases the pressure to do something.
The topic arrived in political discourse months ago, which helps in
raising awareness and puts pressure on politicians to provide corresponding
regulations quickly. The EU has proclaimed the Digital
Decade for the years 2020 to 2030, where this is already laid down.
The Digital Decade is heading in precisely this direction. For new
matters and products, new rules are needed. That’s why I’m confident
that we’re setting the course now. But of course, it should
happen faster.
ChatGPT already exists since last autumn, and only months
later people are starting to think about regulations – but there is
nothing concrete. Won’t regulations always lag behind technical
changes?
Krause: Yes, and there are various reasons for that. It starts with
the fact that politicians are usually not experts in the matter and
that awareness for a problem is not always there. That is inherent
in the system. It also has to do with the fact that legal explanations
always require precision. In addition, things change quickly, and
new technologies are often not even fully developed yet, like artificial
intelligence. There are good examples in the EU of how matters
need to be fundamentally regulated. The line of the General Data
Protection Regulation is right. It is about the protection of privacy
and personal rights, and classical humanistic principles are anchored there. This also applies to artificial intelligence.
There are already EU ethical guidelines
for AI, but ChatGPT has massively accelerated
the development and will also accelerate the
implementation of guidelines.
Until GDPR, big tech companies had been
making a killing on data trading of all kinds for
decades. Will we have to wait a similarly long
time for AI regulations? Can we even wait that
long because of the possibilities that AI opens
up?
Krause: Someone who has hope will work for
it and help get things moving in the right direction. That’s how
I see it too. I think there are many risks, and we would do well
to work on rules with pressure. We are at a crossroads. Let’s look
at how digitisation has developed in the US and in China. There
are two completely different political systems that have had
different effects on development. In the US, it’s a company-centred,
market-capitalist system; on the other hand, there’s a very
autocratic, totalitarian system in which power lies with the state.
Whoever has the data ultimately has the power over the citizens.
If I have power over data and information, I have control over
people. This is a blatant contradiction to every humanistic principle.
Both systems are reality and have not been put in their place.
Krause: One of the central points in the humanism approach in the
EU’s Digital Decade is that we in Europe are trying to develop a
counter-design, namely a people- and citizen-centred approach.
That is the key point. We believe in and want to continue to live in
freedom and democracy, we want to live self-determined lives and
have responsibility over our own data. When I give away my data,
it is my decision and not that of a third party. That is a clear goal of
the EU. I am hopeful that we will succeed in finding a European
way. If we do not succeed, we have lost.
Doesn’t living digital humanism go hand in hand with competitive
disadvantages due to the necessary self-restraints?
Krause: On the contrary. It is our only chance to put people at the
centre of digitisation and thereby develop a sustainable economic
model. In the short term, we have lost. We are nowhere near the
market capitalisation of the largest companies and have long since
been left behind by Asia and the US. Even in
start-ups and unicorns, China has twice as many
as Europe. Our only chance is to bring in a counter-
draft. It won’t be as fast as the capitalist
approach in the US, but hopefully it will be more
sustainable. The highly criticised GDPR is already
being copied in some US states. It has
been recognised that after an initial pioneering
phase of a Wild West approach, rules are also
necessary. If the development continues in this
direction, we Europeans have a chance to play
a role again.
Will people sacrifice part of their prosperity for humanistic
rules?
Krause: I don’t believe that digital humanism entails a loss of prosperity.
Europe is still the largest economic area in the world, and as
long as we can enforce our regulations on companies that want to
do business with us, there is no loss of prosperity. We can demand
that others play by the rules, and that benefits our citizens.